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韩高高宣誓证词:不记得自己叫什么名字

已有 10488 次阅读2017-3-25 05:21 |个人分类:网站信息|系统分类:珍珠湾站务

做人啊,真的要诚实。韩高高之前的伪证已经被证明。昨天看其证词,竟然连自己两年多前住哪、谁注册的翰山网、自己叫什么名字都不记得了?
某些国人可能以为这样回答问题就可以逃避责任,其实恰恰相反。
 
Q. So when you registered this domain, you were in the United States?

Gaogao Han: Yeah, I went to United States.

Q. Where?

Gaogao Han: I really don't remember.

Q. So were you in the New Jersey or where? Were you using the -- you remember the judge asked you where did you live, do you remember?

Gaogao Han: I don't remember where because in the United States, I -- as I said, when I work somewhere, I stay somewhere -- okay. So I don't remember where I live at that time.

Q. You don't remember where you lived at the time. Which time were you referring to? Where did you live in October 2014?

Gaogao Han: I cannot remember.

Q. What about -- did you move in 2014 or you stay in the same place in that year?

Gaogao Han: I -- sometimes I go to somewhere -- I don't remember exactly.

Q. Who were you working for in 2014? You said you -- if you go to -- if I have a job -- you go to the place where your job was. Who would you --

Q. Who was your employer or employers in 2014?

Gaogao Han: I'm looking for different opportunities.

Q. What was the information before? What was the contact person before this? You changed the contact person to Yue Zhao, right, Yue Zhao?

THE REPORTER: To -- I'm sorry, Mr. Yue, to who? He changed the contact information to who?

MR. YUE: The name is Y-U-E and then Z-H-A-O. Yue Zhao.

THE WITNESS: Okay. Mr. Yue, I change -- I remember we had another previous conversation about the internet provider.

MR. YUE: Q. So you changed the contact person from someone to Yue Zhao, correct?

Gaogao Han: Okay. Previous ago, that's in the file. (Unintelligible).

Q. I'm looking at this e-mail here, you made a change to this --

Gaogao Han: Okay. Let me do something here. In the e-mail, I said, previously, the info in my domain name was in address one. Let us see what's the previous information, okay?

Q. No. I'm asking you right now, Mr. Han, you changed the contact person from somebody to Yue Zhao. Whether -- who was the contact person before that, before you made the change?

Gaogao Han: Okay. Wait. Go to the documents. I can -- because the documents will see.

Q. No, I'm asking you very simple question: Were you the contact person of this domain before --

Gaogao Han: I answered your question; I do not remember.

Q. You don't remember?

Gaogao Han: I don't remember.

Q. So why you made the change to Yue Zhao, to this person?

Gaogao Han: Okay. Don't ask me this question. The document assure I only change the address spelling error.

Q. Before this, I'm asking you what happened before you made this change.

Gaogao Han: Okay.

Q. Before this --

Gaogao Han: Please -- okay. Do me one second. Let me found out previous doc, okay?

Q. No, I'm not -- Mr. Han, stop, okay. I'm asking -- you're under oath to tell the truth, okay; you understand that, right?

Gaogao Han: Yes.

Q. If you -- if you lie, that's penalty of perjury you're doing it under penalty of perjury; you understand that, right?

Gaogao Han: Yes.

Q. I'm asking you a very simple question here. You change the contact information from somebody to Yue Zhao?

Gaogao Han: No. Here, I only show I change the letter; I change the spelling error.

Q. Yes, regarding the documents here. We have an event here, okay? You were trying to make changes to the contact information of the domain. And then I'm asking you a very simple question: Were you the first contact person of this domain before you made the change, before October?

Gaogao Han: Okay. From this document, that's October 20th, I only saw -- I made a change of the spelling error. I could not remember previously. So if you ask a previous change, please go to the document.

Q. So you're saying you don't remember whether you were the contact person of this domain; is that your testimony? Let me simply ask you this: You were the person, the contact person for this domain, correct, so --

Gaogao Han: I -- okay. At this time, I could only answer your question at face. I was the administrator. I -- at that time, I didn't understand there was a contact person, what's the ownership or something like that. Okay. I just -- I could access and I was administrator to do the job. So if you're -- if the contact person is the owner, so if the contact person is not me, then I would not own. At that time, we didn't have the clear picture about this one.

Q. So you were saying that multiple people involved in this domain, and you're not sure who was the owner of the domain?

Gaogao Han: Yes. At that time, actually, we don't have the ownership concept, we just -- we just concentrate on what we want to do and what website we want to create, and I just make the technical things to make it happen.

Q. So George Han, that was your name, right?

Gaogao Han: I don't know. Where -- which document you specified?

Q. No, I'm asking a very simple question.

Gaogao Han: Okay.

Q. Did you also go by the name of George Han?

Gaogao Han: Okay. I -- it -- please -- please talk about the documents. I don't --

Q. Mr. Han, this is a very simple question. We're talking about the documents, and we're just trying to get the information about the case, okay? The same question will be asked during the jury trial, okay? You know it's a very simple question. Did you go by the name of George Han?

Gaogao Han: Okay. At this time, please don't ask another question --

THE REPORTER: I'm sorry, Mr. Han, I didn't understand what you said.

Q. So I'm asking you questions regarding the events described in these e-mails, okay? You hid -- you delayed the production of documents until the last minute during your deposition and you got sanctioned, okay, you understand that, right? Now I'm trying to go through these e-mails you produced belatedly. I'm trying to find out what happened behind these e-mails, okay? So I'll also tell you actually, I subpoenaed the documents from Domains by Proxy and GoDaddy, so I'm trying to corroborate what they have produced with the e-mails you produced, okay, to find out the truth. So now I'm asking a very simple question: Did you also go by the name of George Han?

Gaogao Han: Okay. Yeah, previous. I only have those documents I produced to you. I don't have other documents.

Q. No, I'm not asking about documents. I'm asking about a simple question. Did you also use the name George Han?

Gaogao Han: Okay. Please go back to the specific documents, okay?

Q. So you're refusing -- you're refusing to answer that question?

Gaogao Han: I said please go back to the specific -- you show me the documents. I may not remember.

Q. Okay. I'll move for sanctions, okay? I'll move for sanctions. You refuse to answer a very simple question.

Gaogao Han: Okay. Please.

Q. Okay.

Gaogao Han: Okay.

Q. I'm not going to -- on this question, I'm not going any further. I'll move for sanctions, okay?

Gaogao Han: Okay. Let me tell you, George Han is not my legal name.

Q. I didn't ask whether you -- it was your legal name. I asked whether you used that name.

Gaogao Han: I don't remember.

Q. You don't remember whether you used the name George Han?

Q. So how good is your memory, I'm asking? Do you have a good memory, Mr. Han?

Gaogao Han: Okay. Please go back to the specific documents.

Q. No, I'm asking you a very general question regarding your mental condition here.

Gaogao Han: Okay. You know what, this is not -- not serious business, we treat it as game. So for this --

Q. I'm not asking about whether serious or not, okay? You're under oath to tell the truth, okay?

Gaogao Han: Okay.

Q. I'm asking you whether -- how is your memory? You answer a lot of questions with answers that you don't remember, and you don't even remember whether you were called George Han. So how good is your memory? Do you have a good memory?

Gaogao Han: I said I don't remember if I used George Han on specific, for example, talk to uses and provider. Possibly, I used George Han to somebody or somewhere because that's a nickname, but I don't remember if I use them.

Q. What other nicknames have you used?

Gaogao Han: I told you, Hanshan, hanshan.co, probably something else like --

Q. No. The Hanshan was your name on the internet, right? I'm talking about --

Gaogao Han: Yes.

Q. -- the names you used in your real life. What names were you using? What other names have you used? I'm just testing your memory, you know, if you have a very bad memory, you know, you don't remember anything, that's fine, but I'm just trying to get, you know, whether you're telling the truth, whether you don't remember or you're lying. You remember and you say you don't remember so --

Gaogao Han: Previously, I said for George Han, I don't -- I don't remember if I used George Han in the specific position and talked to the internet provider.

Q. No, I'm not asking that. I'm asking a very general question. What kind of names have you used?

Gaogao Han: Okay. First, it's not related to this case and secondly --

Q. I'll tell you, it's related because I have documents here from GoDaddy that showed that you use the name George Han with --

Gaogao Han: Show me the document. Let me see --

Q. I -- I sent it to you, okay?

Gaogao Han: Which one? Which one?

Q. V3-10, Exhibit 14 of this deposition.

Gaogao Han: Okay. Which page?

Q. Page 2. Page 2 near the bottom, on August 30th, 2014, it showed you changed the name -- the name was changed from this IP address, from Gaogao Han to George Han, okay? So I'm just trying to figure out if that's the same person.

Gaogao Han: I really don't know at this time that is possibly me or somebody else, I don't remember.

Q. So we have this IP -- so now I'm trying to get a sense of how good is your memory, okay?

Gaogao Han: You know what this George may be, records, somebody else, because I'm administrator. I just change, I change it by myself -- here, I said I don't remember the George Han referred to whom, if that's referred to me or to somebody else. I really don't remember.

Q. Okay. Let's go back to page -- go one more page, Page 3, that's the very beginning?

Gaogao Han: Yeah.

Q. Very beginning it shows the IP address is 142.105.35.AD8 and the e-mail address was gghan1@hotmail.com and the address was?

Gaogao Han: Yes.

Q. 2100 Glenwood Avenue, that was your address, your name, and your e-mail address, right?

Gaogao Han: Yes, I believe I use address.

Q. Yes, so we'll go to the Page 2, you know, and then we see on the same day -- actually, let me see the time, actually, only one hour later, actually, only 30 something minutes later from the same IP address the name -- the first name was changed from Gaogao to George, correct?

Gaogao Han: Yes, I saw it.

Q. So that was you, right?

Gaogao Han: I -- I really don't remember, you know, that's -- I told you at the very beginning, we have several friends, we talk about the website, we create something and the information --

Q. So let me -- you can see the IP address was the same, right, you were from the same IP address?

Gaogao Han: Yes.

Q. Are you saying that could be -- you have people sitting in the same room at the same time?

Gaogao Han: Okay. You know, that's a very good -- I saw the history. It's very interesting. You know, at the very beginning we -- for the contact information we just treat it as contact information. I may -- we use different -- try to use different persons, yeah, thank you very much. You know what, actually, yes. That's just the situation. We didn't follow to use once. Actually, I -- we didn't know that's ownership, something like that.

Q. No. I'm not asking about the ownership or whatever. I'm just asking if you were the person making these changes?

Gaogao Han: Yes, I made this change. I'm not sure, yes.

Q. Okay. So that was your IP address and you made the change?

Gaogao Han: I don't know if I -- that is mine, I -- I don't know.

Q. Okay. You don't remember, or you don't know?

Gaogao Han: No. No. I -- I don't know if that is mine or not.

Gaogao Han: Uh-huh.

Q. You see, and the name and the address was changed, okay, from -- and changed to -- from -- from -- let me see, you changed the address was changed again, it changed from address in New York. So the address in Beijing, right, did you make that change?

Gaogao Han: I don't remember.

Q. But look, okay, but we see it's from the IP address, right?

Gaogao Han: Okay. From here, that's maybe -- that's from, probably from one person to another person, that's possibly, but I don't remember to do this.

Q. So you don't remember you made the change, but it's from the --

Gaogao Han: Because at that time there's several people with this. Sometimes they do this and sometimes we do others.

Q. So did you make changes from -- let me ask you this, okay, we saw IP address here was that one place from office or from home; do you remember?

Gaogao Han: I do not know that the IP address.

Q. Okay. No that's -- let's say this, you said that -- are you saying these changes could be made by another person or you made the change?

Gaogao Han: What?

Q. Did you make the change or did somebody else make the change?

Gaogao Han: Okay. You know, I cannot answer you this question because I don't remember.

Q. You don't remember. So you -- so you -- even with the documents in front of you, you're saying you don't remember who did it, who made the change?

Gaogao Han: Yeah, actually, I don't remember because here, you know, that's -- that's one more skip, that's more maybe somebody else.

Q. So let me ask you this, so you said on the last page, that was you, right, you made the change? You used your e-mail address and you changed from Gaogao to George, right, that was you, right?

Gaogao Han: (Unintelligible) I said, who is George? I said, who is George. I don't remember.

Q. You changed -- but you admit you changed the information yourself, right, or are you saying you don't remember who is George?

Gaogao Han: Okay. You know, at that time, I made just the administrator. I treated the information for people.

Q. Mr. Han, you already admitted that you changed the name from Gaogao to George, okay? And you're saying you don't know who George was?

Gaogao Han: Okay. Here, talk about the Wall Street, the

Q. You changed it, okay? You changed it from Gaogao to George so --

Gaogao Han: Yeah, yes. Somebody ask me. George ask me to do that.

Q. Who is George; who is George?

Gaogao Han: George, that's another person.

Q. So -- okay. So you used the name George and also another -- there is another George?

Gaogao Han: Yes.

Q. Bian-Wang.com. The last time, I -- in my previous deposition -- your previous deposition, I shared the web page, okay; and I asked whether that was you and you said you don't remember.

Gaogao Han: Yeah.

Q. Do you remember?

Gaogao Han: That's a correct answer. I do not remember.

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